Reblog with the District that you would live in if Panem was real. I wanna see how far this actually goes lol
Someone help, I’m drowning. I’m right on the edge of a nation and I’m drowning
oooh just barely squeezing in 12
WTF happened that caused mountains to become submerged before low-lying areas?
Elevation is a hell of a drug:
That’s a map of North America 115 million years ago.
When the sea levels rise, prairies and great plains go under before mountains do.
wow this kind of poor planning is lowering my hopes for The Hunger Games (yep I still haven’t read it yet, but it’s looking likely that I will soon). Like ok the floodplain thing is really poor planning, but I can sorta see how it could happen, like, a writer not thinking enough about elevation just sitting by a map with a marker. But what’s really irritating me is how closely it also follows POLITICAL boundaries. There’s a flat slice up north. Is that the Great Wall, is Jon Snow standing on it? Why is all of freakin’ Canada just “wilds”?
I lose respect for science fiction when it can’t deal with The Problem of Canada. Like Fahrenheit 451 is this dystopian future where ALL books are burned in the US. In Canada books are legal. The protagonist goes from being the cop that burns the books (a “fireman”) to realizing books are actually pretty awesome. He joins a roving band of hobos that become a “living library” by completely memorizing books verbatim, then burning them. INSTEAD OF SMUGGLING THEM INTO CANADA. OR IDK, FUCKING LIVING THERE.
It’s like people’s brains shut down when they try to imagine Canada in the future? (Either as future!Canada, or being taken over/merged into some other country, but still as like, a viable place populated with humans, that is possible to go to if one chooses.)
Also she managed to not as completely follow the political border with Mexico, but it’s still like, aside from these couple of feet over here, Mexico no longer exists. -_____- It’s all conveniently underwater. Even those mountains. I’m just kind of, uh. Seriously? Seriously?? You can set futuristic stuff in the US without making it this painfully US-centric. Like stuff can happen in future!US without making it explicitly that the world outside the US FELL OFF THE MAP.
Not sure if anyone has responded to this yet and I know this post is months old, but here goes:
As far as I am aware (since I haven’t checked for about 2 years), this (and any other Hunger Games/Panem maps) is fan-made. Suzanne Collins never was that specific about her geography. Without getting up and pulling the books from my shelf, I can say for sure that Panem is somewhere in North America, District 12 is in Appalachia, and The Capitol is near the Rockies. Googling “Hunger Games map” brings up a slew of different results all based on different readers’ interpretations or imaginations. (And of all the maps out there, yes, this one is most noteworthy for the convenient “but we still kept the border to Canada” part.) So yeah, not a Collins thing. Personally, I imagined District 12 as much smaller than depicted on that map. Collins described all of that district’s population as being able to fit in the town square, and it only took a morning of travel for everyone to get there IIRC. I don’t know about the sizes of the other districts. Katniss herself wondered the logistics of gathering the larger districts’ populations in one area for the reapings, or even if it was done that way at all. (Again, this is as far as I remember—I last reread the books a couple months ago.)
Now, if we are going to talk about weird geographical stuff that came straight from canon, there’s the idea that each district is….I don’t know, shoehorned into roles that seem grossly oversimplified. Like, I don’t really know a whole lot about how this stuff works IRL. But it always seemed…weird to me, that, “Here, here is the district where the ONLY thing they do is cattle! And here is the district where they just do lumber! And if you cross this arbitrary borderline, suddenly you are now a farmer!” To be fair, Katniss’s district (coal mining) was varied enough on the inside—there were teachers, merchants, possibly craftsmen, Peeta’s family owned a bakery, and Katniss’s mom was a healer, in addition to many (probably the majority?) of District 12 citizens being coal miners. And it’s made pretty clear that the Capitol absolutely does shoehorn the districts into caricatures of their industry, with the way that they dress up the Tributes before each Hunger Games. But sometimes it felt like Collins was doing it too. There’s one character introduced in the second book, who at one point we find out she can throw axes really well, and Katniss is all OH OF COURSE SHE’S GREAT WITH THROWING AXES BECAUSE DISTRICT 7 AND THEY DO TREES THERE. This sort of thing always took me out of the story because I had to stop and roll my eyes…
TLDR: You don’t have to lower your expectations for The Hunger Games trilogy, at least when it comes to inclusion of non-US countries, because Collins was ambiguous about the geography.
It’s good to know that map was fan-made! (whoops I still need to read these tho god I’m so slow)
Regarding the specific areas doing different things, well, this is talking about books I haven’t read, but I think that may fit with the setting? Basically…okay. Henry Ford started the whole assembly line thing—prior to that, you needed skilled labor in manufacturing, someone who knew how to make all or most of the parts and put them together. Ford’s way, you could quickly train a person to do only one thing, and devalue their labor because they were easy to replace. This model has expanded with globalization, where certain things are only done in certain places. I looked into some of this stuff when concerned about companies outsourcing to places with laxer labor laws so they could exploit their workers, and found that certain things, such as many electronic parts, are ONLY made in a few countries, sometimes only in one country. And to some extent this is also happening in other ways, for example agricultural areas that monocrop corn even though that’s terrible for the soil, because in that time and place, corn is what you grow.
In the long run what this does is create dependency. If your area only grows one type of food, you rely on importing for other goods—different kinds of food, textiles, lumber, metals, coal. And as I understand it, in The Hunger Games everything is ruled by an elite upper class that is like a few million times wealthier than anyone on the bottom, with an extreme and unbridgeable class gap (oh wait did I say The Hunger Games I meant real life) which can then sell all those goods to each other at a premium because they can’t produce it themselves.
It’s a common capitalist trick to make people rely on a pay service for something they already had, then remove access to their original resource. This is why when colonizing native peoples, one of the first things the colonizers try to destroy is access to their food supply, so they can sell them food. They may also shame them for their clothes or make wearing traditional clothes illegal, to force them to buy clothes from them too. Not only does this demoralize a population, humiliate them and separate them from their culture, but it forces dependence on their conquerors. There are less extreme, but very common examples, like making baby formula ubiquitous rather than something used when breast milk wasn’t an option, or selling people bottled water (and then fracking to make their previously perfectly fine tapwater now questionable).
So basically what you’re describing in The Hunger Games sounds like an extreme example of commodification, globalization and the assembly line on a large scale, and not at all improbable for how an elite, abusive group would structure society given the power to do so. It’s profitable, it’s easy to control, and it forces dependence.